I feel like AliExpress and temu aren’t really equivalent. Temu makes it seem like you’re, well I guess the tagline is shop like a billionaire. Aliexpress doesn’t exactly hide the fact it’s a cheap Chinese market.
Aren’t they the same sweatshop slave-labor factory goods though?
Not that it’s possible to completely avoid goods which are made via exploitation, but I assumed they’re just an alternate outlet / search page for the same distributors and factories.
Skeletons in their closet and actively using slave labor are very different things, not that I blame you entirely, it’s not your fault companies like nestle own so fucking much it’s impossible to keep track of.
The latest thing I saw from Amnesty International about Nestle was praise for Nestle for publicly announcing unprompted that they had found slavery in their supply chain . Is that how low the bar is to be “the most ethical”, or is there an actual report making this claim?
So do I, do yourself a favor and find a local candy or chocolate shop. They’ll probably have something that is basically the same thing but vastly superior and not nestle. I know you’re just being a troll at this point but seriously do.
It’s a bit different to grab a snack at the counter (that’s likely partly produced in your country) than wait 1-2 months for a product to even arrive. Call it a convenience factor or whatever.
That said, I don’t know what kind of labor AliExpress goods use. Haven’t used them for a couple years but if I knew for sure (maybe someone here knows?) they used slave labor for example I probably would just choose to use some other company (which probably is just as likely to have unethical practices in some point of their supply chain tbf).
Like I said, highly doubt you can avoid companies that have shady practices of some form. Whether people like my opinion or not, I just simply do not care anymore. It is what it is, people won’t always agree with you in life. No point in dwelling on it, I don’t have the time to.
Sure I agree to a degree but choosing a product which you know uses 100% slave labor to save a penny is downright evil. (And this is exaggeration obviously before anyone butts in.)
I’m not asking what people’s thoughts on these companies business strategies/politics are, I’m just asking what people think of the actual items they’ve purchased from there.
To be fair we’re far past the point of saving the Earth. We’ve doomed it way early on and luckily by the time the sun explodes or whatever I’ll be long dead.
No, we shouldn’t throw in the towel. That’s just giving up! We should actively pour fuel on our neighbour’s house fire and admire the pretty extra destruction it creates while we can. Immediate gratification is worth burning everyone’s house to the ground, including my own. /s
Sadly apathy is a common reaction to huge overwhelming problems. And it makes sense, emotionally distancing yourself from the suffering of others can be necessary to still function in horrible emergency situations like natural disasters. Unfortunately it also makes this problem, like many others, worse.
But we all do it, to different degrees. And it’s human. We can’t fix everything simultaneously. Those of us who are still able to empathise with strangers to some extent will have to do more work, or we become the problem too.
Sorry. This post isn’t targetted at you personally, I just am sad about the destruction of civilisations and the suffering people can inflict and this post came tumbling out. My coping mechanism is loud spontaneous complaining.
Not much I can do about it. I physically cannot force them to stop slave labor. Me not buying from them doesn’t change anything. 1 person not buying means nothing when 10 others will buy from regardless. I don’t worry about things I literally have no realistic control over. Whatever your opinion of me is on this is your choice. My life isn’t changed.
I feel like AliExpress and temu aren’t really equivalent. Temu makes it seem like you’re, well I guess the tagline is shop like a billionaire. Aliexpress doesn’t exactly hide the fact it’s a cheap Chinese market.
Temu is very obviously a bunch of low-grade tat though. Who feels like a billionaire buying such crap?
Aren’t they the same sweatshop slave-labor factory goods though?
Not that it’s possible to completely avoid goods which are made via exploitation, but I assumed they’re just an alternate outlet / search page for the same distributors and factories.
Probably. I’ve never used temu tbh but my understanding is it tries to present itself as not.
I doubt one can really truly avoid buying from a company that doesn’t have some kind of skeletons in their closet. I just stopped caring.
Skeletons in their closet and actively using slave labor are very different things, not that I blame you entirely, it’s not your fault companies like nestle own so fucking much it’s impossible to keep track of.
That reminds me, we gotta add fucknestle to lemmy.
Nestle actually have done a lot. Amnesty report shows they are one of the most ethical companies now.
How much did they pay you to say that?
The latest thing I saw from Amnesty International about Nestle was praise for Nestle for publicly announcing unprompted that they had found slavery in their supply chain . Is that how low the bar is to be “the most ethical”, or is there an actual report making this claim?
If you don’t find slavery in your supply chain once in a while you are probably not even looking. Finding it is the first step to elimination.
I gotta admit, I love me a good nestle crunch bar.
So do I, do yourself a favor and find a local candy or chocolate shop. They’ll probably have something that is basically the same thing but vastly superior and not nestle. I know you’re just being a troll at this point but seriously do.
I’m a troll for sharing a different opinion to others? Whatever they wanna label me as that’s their choice I guess. Doesn’t change my feelings.
Wasn’t trying to, have a good night man.
You too
It’s a bit different to grab a snack at the counter (that’s likely partly produced in your country) than wait 1-2 months for a product to even arrive. Call it a convenience factor or whatever.
That said, I don’t know what kind of labor AliExpress goods use. Haven’t used them for a couple years but if I knew for sure (maybe someone here knows?) they used slave labor for example I probably would just choose to use some other company (which probably is just as likely to have unethical practices in some point of their supply chain tbf).
Like I said, highly doubt you can avoid companies that have shady practices of some form. Whether people like my opinion or not, I just simply do not care anymore. It is what it is, people won’t always agree with you in life. No point in dwelling on it, I don’t have the time to.
Sure I agree to a degree but choosing a product which you know uses 100% slave labor to save a penny is downright evil. (And this is exaggeration obviously before anyone butts in.)
I’m not asking what people’s thoughts on these companies business strategies/politics are, I’m just asking what people think of the actual items they’ve purchased from there.
They’re useless trash that are polluting the planet
To be fair we’re far past the point of saving the Earth. We’ve doomed it way early on and luckily by the time the sun explodes or whatever I’ll be long dead.
yeah you’re right, we should just throw in the towel? tf? im gonna guess you couldnt give af about slave labor either?
No, we shouldn’t throw in the towel. That’s just giving up! We should actively pour fuel on our neighbour’s house fire and admire the pretty extra destruction it creates while we can. Immediate gratification is worth burning everyone’s house to the ground, including my own. /s
Sadly apathy is a common reaction to huge overwhelming problems. And it makes sense, emotionally distancing yourself from the suffering of others can be necessary to still function in horrible emergency situations like natural disasters. Unfortunately it also makes this problem, like many others, worse.
But we all do it, to different degrees. And it’s human. We can’t fix everything simultaneously. Those of us who are still able to empathise with strangers to some extent will have to do more work, or we become the problem too.
Sorry. This post isn’t targetted at you personally, I just am sad about the destruction of civilisations and the suffering people can inflict and this post came tumbling out. My coping mechanism is loud spontaneous complaining.
Not much I can do about it. I physically cannot force them to stop slave labor. Me not buying from them doesn’t change anything. 1 person not buying means nothing when 10 others will buy from regardless. I don’t worry about things I literally have no realistic control over. Whatever your opinion of me is on this is your choice. My life isn’t changed.
1 person not buying when 10 other people would do it anyway equals 10 sales instead of 11. It makes a difference.
Not really